The Obesity Police Strike
Well, the Nanny state war against obesity has begun.
It's true that this story comes out of the UK, so why should we here in the US be concerned about it? Well how about the GFW's citing the UK as a model of "proper" gun control? Can the Fat Police be far behind here?
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The case is interesting. If we oppose the "nanny-state" taking him to a hospital, we really need to oppose the state's war on drugs. Food is certainly a more lethal addiction, when it's this extreme, than the continued use of hallucinogens or opiates. I would agree that the state needs to step back on this one.
Posted by: Karlo at February 23, 2005 04:28 PM (HoLw7)
P.S. ravings
The Imperial Dungeonmaster has a post up at the Rott outlining one example of the Public SchoolIndoctrination Center method of instilling Moonbattery to our young. It's all the more personal because the soldier who recieved the morale busting letters is the brother of one of the Loyal Citizens, Imamommy.
Her father is scheduled to be on the Hannity and Colmes show tonight (Feb,22,2005) I think it would behoove you to watch and see just kind of effect this type of incident can evoke, not just among the soldiers themselves, but their familys and friends as well.
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What would you do as teacher in this case, Deftsman? Censor all letters that don't meet a certain ideological standard? I think it says something for U.S. education that we don't do that. I checked out the "objectionable content" at the link and all I could make out was that there are some kids who have different views than their government. Is this so objectionable? Is it so awful that kids are worried about civilian casualities? The site had a bunch of nonsense about the views being leftwing academic propaganda. If grade-schoolers are now reading Chomsky or Das Kapital, Bush's No Child Left Behind is working wonders! Just a few years ago, half of the young tykes couldn't write their own names. As for the ideological deviations, perhaps we need to start a Bush Youth Corp and dress the younguns in freshly pressed brown shirts with identical American flags sown across the front. We can then instill some patriotic views in their bosoms before they get to uppity and start thinkin' for themselves.
Posted by: Karlo at February 23, 2005 07:16 PM (HoLw7)
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And the part about how some grade-schooler's letter might ruin morale was a real hoot. You've got people sitting out in the Iraqi sun and dust getting shot at, people flipping them off or throwing rocks at them all day, and they're going to all pack their bags and leave because of the questioning of some little grade-schooler.
Posted by: Karlo at February 23, 2005 07:18 PM (HoLw7)
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Karlo, that's not the point and I'm sure you know it. These guys aren't ready to pack their bags and leave because of some sarcastic, uninformed little 6th graders. But if you have ever been lonely, homesick, far from family and friends, you understand how much something like that cuts at your heart.
Haven't you ever felt strongly about something or someone, felt you were doing the right thing for them, felt as though you were doing the best that you could do under bad circumstances or conditions, only to have it thrown back at you as "not good enough" or completely wrong? Haven't you ever loved something or someone deeply enough to lay down your life for him, her or it, only to be rebuffed cruelly by the very thing or person you loved enough to make that sacrifice? The cruelties of love feel the same, whether it's a hostile, ungrateful lover or a hostile, ungrateful populace.
Sure, you can look at it as "big macho soldiers too sensitive to what little kids say" but you can also look at it "snarky know-it-all pre-teens try to act like they have a clue" as well.
I'm sure even Marx had days when the cruelties and lack of understanding within his own circle were unbearable.
Posted by: Mamamontezz at February 25, 2005 04:53 AM (61vfJ)
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Instead of being upset about such letters, I would see them as an opportunity for dialogue. As for motivations, I know from personal experience that many of the soldiers in Iraq in elsewhere believe in what they're doing. But the same could be said of the "insurgents." I'm sure they have bad days too when they are angry with the local population for not giving them adequate support. One conservative meme seems to be that we should all band together like members of a tightknit tribe. Personally, I feel like the world has enough tightknit tribes. Instead of true-believers, it could use a more independent thinkers who feel little loyalty to tribes or nations.
Posted by: Karlo at February 28, 2005 03:22 PM (ddf+l)
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"Instead of true-believers, it could use a more independent thinkers who feel little loyalty to tribes or nations."
You know Karlo, Stalin had a term for those who had no loyalty to their nation, he called them "useful idiots".
While dissent within the nation is good, indeed it's necessary to ensure non-stagnation of the body politique, such as occurring in Europe right now. Politics ends at the borders edge, from there, a united front is best for the security of the people.
At any time in history, when any group lost the basic cohesion to form a stable society, (ie when there was no longer loyalty to the society) that society has been destroyed by the groups that had maintained that cohesiveness.
"I'm sure they ("insurgents") have bad days too when they are angry with the local population for not giving them adequate support."
Yes they do Karlo, and take note of how they treat with those that "do not give them adequate support". WE have discussions and debates, THEY just put the dissenting population up against the wall and shoot them.
Dissent and discussion can only occur among people that have respect for others opinions and viewpoints. The "insurgents" idiology precludes any such differences and works to stamp them out, and preferably in the most brutal manner possible, to discourage further dissent in the future.
Posted by: delftsman3 at February 28, 2005 06:15 PM (61vfJ)
Carson Classic
For a little levity, listen to this classic from the old Tonight show. A classic piece of comedy featering Jack Webb and Johny Carson in 1968. It stands the test of time well.
(requires windows media player)
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As a child i appeared on Candid Camera,they came to my school in New Jersey,and filmed myself and a few classmates talking about road signs,this was about 1967 ,it was shown on The Tonight show sometimein 68 or 69 during an Allen Funt Visit to the the show.
Ihave tried to get a clip or trancript from both the Tonight show archives and Candid Camera but they were erased and are part of the lost episodes of both shows.
I guess thay was my fiften minutes of fame.
So much for my music career
I miss the Carson Show and the intro theme
most of all.
Funny and true story
Posted by: NeilV at February 21, 2005 10:42 PM (YpRpk)
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There has been a void on late night teevee since he left.
Here's a good send-off though, in case you haven't seen it yet:
http://curmudgeonisms.blogspot.com/2005/01/better-late-than-never.html
Posted by: Dave S. at February 25, 2005 04:56 AM (xWF8s)
Privatization Myths
FINALLY! some economists put the "myth" stamp on the so called "transition costs" of following President Bush's proposal to partialyy privatize Social Security. The Democrats main argument is that the scheme would require up to two trillion dollars in additional "transition costs". And the general public, being uninformed on just how Social Security operates and ignorant of macroeconomics in any case, are being scared to death by these claims.
As Edward Prescott, 2004 winner of the Bank of Sweden Nobel Prize in Economics, and Lawrence Hunter, senior research fellow with the Institute for Policy Innovation, show, there ARE no transition costs, merely a shifting of debt from one form to another. Those costs are ALLREADY BEING INCURRED under the present system.
The politicians in our government have long been conducting a hoax on the American people, and apparently, the present state of education in the country today has failed to give the people the ability to see through that hoax.
IF I was a conspiracy theorist, which I am NOT, I would only conclude that NEA policies were a plot to ensure the docility of the masses though indoctrination rather than forwarding education....still if you look at the decline in real education of the last 20 or 30 years, it does lead one to wonder if the conspiracy nuts don't have something, after all?
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Hillery Speaks Sense, for once
I may have serious feelings of animosity towards Senator Clinton, but when she has it correct, I must ackowledge it. Even if it's a ploy to try to move herself into a "centerists" position for a presumed Presidential bid in 2008.
She has gone public in stating that we should NOT set a firm deadline on withdrawing from Iraq. I believe that to be good policy, both in our, and the Iraqi people's best interests.
Kudos to her stance in this one instance, too bad she has shown herself to be a closet Socialist, or I might have to start considering her as a candidate worthy of voting for.....NAH, that will NEVER happen!
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Actually, she did make several similar comments last October, I think. She was speaking in Iraq to the troops at the time ... so if that trip was not in October, I cheerfully stand corrected.
Posted by: Adriane at February 22, 2005 05:19 AM (bN2BQ)
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We'll trade you one Hillary for one McCain. (We'll have to put him through some heavy reindoctrination sessions, mind you.)
Posted by: Karlo at February 23, 2005 07:20 PM (HoLw7)
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No need for a trade Karlo, we'll give McCain to you. His entry into your way of thinking is 85% there anyway.
Posted by: delftsman3 at February 23, 2005 07:25 PM (LmMJW)
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I still see the need for heavy reindoctrination sessions. (; Actually, I disagree that McCain is "left" in any sense of the word. But he is at least independent and at times principles--qualities lacking in most of our politicians. That said, if he ran for president, I would never vote for him since I don't care for his stand on most issues.
Posted by: Karlo at February 24, 2005 11:58 AM (HoLw7)
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"That said, if he ran for president, I would never vote for him since I don't care for his stand on most issues."
SOMETHING we agree on for once!
...and at times principles--qualities lacking in most of our politicians.
You HAD to ruin it with that statement. McCain is for one thing and one thing only, and that's John McCain. I believe that Preident Bush is one of the most pricipled politicians there has ever been.
You may not agree with those principles, but he tells you exactly what he believes and why he believes that way and then proceedes to follow the course he has outlined, even in the face of some of the greatest opposition that any President has ever had to deal with.
THAT is the definition of being principled. I think that that is one of the reasons that the Left hates him so much, they know that he won't go along to get along.
Those tapes made by a "friend" of his reveal that to be true, the private Bush is the same as the public Bush. They also revealed that he was willing to go against what the Left considers his "Main" voters bloc, the evangelical Christians, in his remarks about gays. For that alone, I am certainly grateful.
Posted by: delftsman3 at February 24, 2005 12:38 PM (61vfJ)
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Rather than principled, I think Bush is loyal--to his own true constituency of the extremely wealthy. When it comes to the smoke-screen of social issues, on the other hand, he's the ultimate opportunist. Are we to believe that this cocaine-sniffing draft-dodging weasel who never worked a damn day in his life has these heart-felt religious convictions that make him stand up for the war on drugs, the value of hard work, religious values, and a robust and aggressive foreign policy? A bit hard to swallow to say the least. Each time I see him in front of a podium shifting around as he whines about how someone else just "doesn't get it," I just can't believe that anyone sees him as the example of a "leader." You could toss a rock into any crowd of people with 2 or more people in it and hit a better leader.
Posted by: Karlo at February 24, 2005 03:48 PM (HoLw7)
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"loyal--to his own true constituency of the extremely wealthy."
"draft-dodging weasel who never worked a damn day in his life..."
Most perfect descriptions of Senator Splash I have ever seen! Thanks Karlo!
Posted by: delftsman3 at February 28, 2005 06:21 PM (61vfJ)
Micro-ID-ing Ammunition
I'd put THIS IDEA in the file marked "it SEEMED a good idea at the time".
The unintended consequences of this proposal far outweigh any benefits, in IMHO. It would raise the costs of ownership and be too easily thwarted by criminals to have the intended result. It's an obvious ploy by the GFW's to erect yet another barrier to citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights.
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Ali,Wilders in Prison
I saw this story at The Dutch Report and I was sickened by the thought that the situation there had deteriorated to the point that representatives of a legitimate government had to be housed in a maximum security prison to try to guarentee their safety.
I know that it would seem to affect me more than the majority of my readers, after all, we live in unprecedented safety here in the United States, and Holland is the country of MY birth, not their's; but if they think about it, they would realize that if it could happen in a country known for it's tolerance and freedom, it could happen here. Don't think that it can't. (it would be poetic justice to see Sen."Splash" Kennedy under that type of protection protocall....wonder if they could "lose" the key to his cell?)
If we don't wake up to the threat that Islamofacism presents everywhere in the world, how long will it be before WE provide housing at the Greybar Hotel for our Senators and Congressmen to provide for their safety? I don't believe that we will ever go that route, thats what we have the Secret Service for, but still, it does give one food for thought. When a small group of fanatics can disrupt the nomal conduct of governmental members, that government is in serious trouble.
It will be a tricky thing here in the U.S. to maintain the level of freedom we enjoy and still have an effective means of combating this scourge, in the end, we'll have to accept a certain level of danger to keep those freedoms intact, but I believe that more can be done than is being done at present.
We must never trade freedom for security, but we must be more vigilant and responsible for our own safety, and realize that that safety IS under attack. We have one advantage over the Dutch, and that is our Second Amendment, which not only affords us the freedom to bear arms, but tacitly recognizes our individual freedom to protect ourselves, with deadly force if need be, without the EU attitude that only the official defenders of the law can provide protection.
UPDATE:Here are some comments by security specialists and government officials on the situation.
The reaction by some of the governmental apparatchiks is, to say the least, inexecusable, and the voters should remeber this the next time they go to the polls.
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Its sad to see whats going on the Netherlands.
You are correct it could happen here.
it will be interesting to watch the situation in Holland.I dont have a real warm fuzzy feeling about the Islamists over there.
Cheers from Sunny Tampa Bay
Posted by: NeilV at February 21, 2005 10:50 PM (YpRpk)
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Quote of the day
"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue--and thoroughly immoral-- doctrine that 'violence never solves anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The Ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more disputes in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."
-Robert Heinlein
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My thought after reading this is maybe the perpetrator could be found just hanging around.
Posted by: Jack at February 20, 2005 06:38 PM (AIV5b)
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Wow, could you imagine if we had such a law here? Clinton never would have even been looked at for his crimes.
Hell with laws like this we'd have to open the doors to many of our prisons.
That is just insane.
SlagleRock Out!
Posted by: SlagleRock at February 21, 2005 07:00 AM (AtSju)
Hamster Blues...
With all the sadness that was in the couple following posts, I think it's time for just a little levity to boost us from the doldrums.
Go here and listen to something that is sure to bring up a good laugh!
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It seems to me that the person they call is a Navy recruiter and as a former Army recruiter, I can appreciate that the Navy recruiter just laughed it off! I had recruiters working for me that got pissed at just about anything until I had a chance to show them the humor of a situation.
Pretty funny, thanks.
Posted by: Thomas Nichols at February 20, 2005 03:06 AM (L20+G)
RIP Another American Hero
I just learned from Kim du Toit's site of the loss of another American hero, U.S. Army Sergeant Adam J. Plumondore.
The loss is made all the harder to bear due to the fact that Sgt. Plumondore was the Adam of the "Walter and Adam Fund" that Kim has been sponsering in his bid to help the troops. I was unable to contribute to this effort ere now, but I will make it a point to do so at the earliest possible time...mortgage be damned.
I wish to express my heartfelt condolences to Sgt. Plumondore's family, I hope they can take some small measure of comfort in knowing that Adam died doing an important job. His sacrifice will not be forgotten.
Update: Kim has posted eulogy to Sgt Plumondore made by his C.O., LTC Kurilla. It is a most inspiring piece.
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Anti-Military Hatemongors
Recently I received a heads up on the existance of the site http://www.forsakethetroops.info, from several of my friends.
I went there and read the inane, deceitful, and singularly hate filled diatribes there, and experienced the most powerful RCOB moment I have had in my memory. I was so angered by what I read there that I was unable to post a coherent post about it.
Luckily, my nephew over at the Slaughterhouse could and did write a reasoned post. Go there, read what he wrote and follow your own consciounce(sic). I agree wholeheartedly with Slaglerock.
There are times when free speech just becomes an expression of unreasoned hate, and should be exposed to the world to see, and to provoke a response against it. The ONLY difference between he and I is that I WILL call the site owners scumbags, for that term describes them perfectly.
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The information at http://www.forsakethetroops.info/ is information we should know. Admitedly the writer is angry and upset but what can people expect when the election is stolen from them to proceed with an illegal war.
Posted by: milo at April 26, 2005 07:24 PM (W8clH)
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Why is it ok for *you* to excercise *your* free speech to criticise what *he* does, but not ok for *him* to excercise *his* right?
Free speech either works *all* ways, or it doesn't work at all. That is, after all, what the US military is supposed to fight for - or have they dropped the oath soldiers take to protect the Constitution know,?
Posted by: Eoghan Ryan at April 28, 2005 01:03 PM (BL77V)
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listen, Crook is a hyprocrite... he himself censors us service members when we wanna give him a piece of our own mind. Heres his censor disclaimer: "Because of the ignorant actions of a few, who can't express their opinions without obscenity, insults, and disrespect, the message board requires that you register to read or post. Also, the guestbook is now moderated. Amazingly, no one is trying to voice their opinion. It's surprising what happens when anonymity is taken away. Peoples' balls fall off. There's free speech, folks, but only to a limit, and it has been abused..we have been abused. Disagree with us, fine, but do it with respect and couth." So it sounds like he can bash people like me with insults and disrespect and get away with it...and when people like me bite back, he reserves the right to censor us... does that sound right at all? NO!
Posted by: ADAA Ryan. Y at April 29, 2005 01:40 AM (hm/j9)
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What can you expect when we had an illegal president send troops into an illegal war. Congress was never asked to 'declare war', so it's illegal. We were also lied to about the reasons for going to war. We have George Bush junior who never served a day in his life in active combat and served in the national guard back in the Vietnam days when EVERONE knew that guard duty was the rich man's way of DODGING THE DRAFT. Bushie's rich papa enabled him to dodge the draft to Vietnam. Of course now, you have millions of people very upset with Bush and the military.
If you want to blame someone, the blame lies solely at W's feet.
Fighting some stupid nonsense war over in Iraq, in no way protects or garauntees my rights of free speech or any other freedom expressed in the U.S. Constitution. Why the hell aren't we fighting all the other horrendous dictatotors in the world???
Blame George for this upset guy who built this upset website.
-bd
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That dolt Michael Crook IS NOT against the war...he's against the TROOPS. He is an army basic trainee wash out. He even wrote about his "military experience" and how he regrets his decision not to appeal when they booted his rear for fraud. Can't blame Bush for a guy who hates the troops. The military has been around ALOT longer than Bush and will be around long after he is gone. All you have to do is go check out his site to see just what a loser Michael Crook is. Go to forsakethetroops and see his idiotic ramblings. Go to his personal site michaelcrook.com and see for yourself what a brainless wonder he is. Or better yet, go to his 'wife's' site sillygoose109.com and read her moronic ramblings. Can't blame anyone for these people being as stupid as they are. Michael Crook is a self proclaimed gay nazi wanna be who admittedly got the crud beat outta him by his ex wife. Yeah, he's a winner i'd stand up for.
Posted by: diana at May 20, 2005 08:36 AM (JXX4i)
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all of you Bush haters need to be ashamed of yourselves. It's punitive minds like yours that are what's wrong with the united states today. take into consideration the people that have saved lives overseas. Yes, we all know you are still bitter about losing the election, but just for a moment, let's pretend you're adults. When's the last time You had the responsibility of leading a country? Hmommm, you think you know everything there is to know about the situation overseas? Have you been there? Half of you haven't set foot outside the perimeter of your hometown or city. life is about experience, so the next time You're president of the united states, let us know how it goes. The next time You're putting that military uniform on knowing that you're going to save someone's life today or help a country develope into the 21st century, by all means, speak your mind. But until then, why don't you try educating yourselves with fact instead of fiction. As for everyone else that is proud of calling themselves an American, don't even worry about michael crook. he's nothing but a spineless man who's lost his ba**s and his 15 min of fame will be over with soon. as for all you supporter's of him, we're not worried about you because all we have to do is look at your source.
Posted by: kim, USAF at May 26, 2005 08:12 AM (Zv+BP)
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Michael Crook got kicked out for fraud and that is too funny! What a whiny-BITCH he is. He was challenged to a fight by, get this, a 60 y.o. Vietnam Vet but Crook declined! What a fvcking pussy. A poster child for the Libs!
Posted by: GunnyG at May 31, 2005 05:49 PM (PXaeY)
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The sh*t-eating liberal's site got shut down. The Planet acted fast and nuked the piece of sh*t.
Posted by: Devil Dog at May 31, 2005 05:58 PM (PXaeY)
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I think this website business is as offensive to my American (not to mention HUMAN) sensibilities as anyone else does.This Crook guy is an insult to America not to mention a very sad mixed up human being. I would feel sorry for him if I didn't hate him so damn much. After all, I call myself a liberal. If you listen to the comments of many on either liberal or "conservative" sides of the political aisle, you'll find that they generally agree. The guy has no place among decent folks. What the reader will not see however, are sentiments such as: "That Crook guy is a right wing plant to make Democrats and civil libertarians look foolish. Those lunatic fringe hate mongering wingnuts think they're gonna provoke us into calling them inbred meatheaded retards who are married to their sisters. Those goddamn low rent trailer trash neocon redneck, red-baiting, snake handling jerks only have a IQ of 13 between them. Those gun-happy, ned -beatty-raping assholes must think we're all as poorly spoken and ill informed as they and their poorly spoken, draft dodging, coke snorting, alcoholic leader. The wingnuts are coming, boys, run for the hills- I hear banjo mus
ic!!"
I realize that those to whom I addressed those comments didn't get my point, so I'll explain: We can disagree on issues and still be neighborly , patriotic Americans. If all one can do to support one's position is to smear the landscape with perjorative opinions of one's opponents, I don't hold out much hope for their point of view. If that's the best they can do, they have my sympathy. Americans are generally smarter than that, last fall's elections notwithstanding. You know who you are and so does America. Nevertheless I wish you peace because you're my neighbor. Oops- sorry I said the "p" word. I'll go wash my liberal mouth out with soap now. Shame.
Posted by: Feral at September 14, 2005 12:16 AM (zBKec)
Another little quiz
Take the quiz: "WHAT RELIGION BESTS SUITS YOU?" Category Unknown You don't fit into any of the above categories, so perhaps before you get angry or confused, check what other religion(s) you scored the highest on. For example, you might be a Christian-Pagan, or a Discordian-Wiccan. Just use a bit of logic. However, according to this test, you're simply 100% YOU. You don't fit into any of the world's boxes.
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SOMEBODY, remind Kerry that he LOST
I don't normally link to anything Rush Limbaugh...I find him to be a little too baombastic for my tastes, but this was just too good to pass up. Seems Senator Kerry believes that he still matters in foreign affairs, and was eager to discuss same with the President.
President Bush chose not to dignify Mr. Kerry with a response.
The fate of all political losers....
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The Greenie Weenies are at it againKim du Toit posted a link to this story. I have to say that I agree with him; too bad the Texan S.W.A.T. team didn't act like Texans and just shoot the bastards.
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Ahh so you admire violence and silencing the opposition? Hmm who does this remind me of?
Posted by: wanda at February 17, 2005 08:38 PM (1ivbm)
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Yes, Wanda, I do believe in treating violent people violently. Given Greenpeaces's escapades in the past, there was no assurence that these people weren't intent on the same here, and disrupting thousands of people's livleyhoods is violent in and of itself. Call it capi-ecoterrorism.
Dissent is good, peaceful protests are fine, but having freedom of speach doesn't mean your free of the possible consequences of that speech.
I'm perfectly free to call someone's mother a whore, but I shouldn't be too surprised if I receive a violent response to that remark.
Posted by: delftsman3 at February 17, 2005 08:51 PM (h4ZzC)
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I'd shoot the little pricks for general principal or maybe, just for fun.
Remember Wanda, well thought out, effective violence is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
Of course, I'm one of those gun nut, right wing types.
Posted by: elliot at February 17, 2005 10:49 PM (kuXgU)
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To I smell like a fish named Wanda,
How about all the peaceful idiots provoking fights at the Republican Convention last summer?
And I agree with Delfts ,protest all you want but break the law, invade someones office space and you might take a few whacks.
I am heading to my office and if any maggot infested peace creeps,Pasty faced, peta goons ,or stinking Kyoto protesters show up .
I am probly going to slap a few around while waiting for the Police.
I hope they come .It would be fun to introduce them to my Malamute who could use a new scooby snack..Or to a pepper spray and taser cocktail a few if they get out of line....
BUWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Posted by: Lc NEilV at February 18, 2005 02:03 PM (TQZU2)
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Most of what you say here is the same retoric the Bush administration has been spoon feeding us since 2003.
Iraq, Iran, Pakistian, nor Afghanistan NEVER attacked the US. In fact no country has made an attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor. We were attacked by a terrorist organization which had many bases of operations in all the above mentioned countries including Saudia Arabia. Who incidently remains on the list of friendly countries, despite the fact that they too had ties to Bin Laden. One can only speculate that the reason for that is their equally strong ties to our own President and his family.
Iraq is now a quagmire, and the new #1 training ground for terrorist. There were never any PROVEN ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
What right has the US to demand that the rest of the world embrace democracy and Christianity? Why shouldn't the Muslim religion flourish? Or should only Christians be allowed to spread their religious beliefs? Has it ever occurred to you people that MAYBE the people of the Middle East don't WANT democracy? Why is it you think we have the right to go into their part of the world and spread OUR message, but they do not have the same right to do so here? Since we can no longer rely on the media to report the unvarnished, unbiased truth, we don't really know what these people want. For every example you can give of Iraqi's who say they want what the US has brought to their country I can give you equal reports of Iraqi's who say they want the US to go away and wish they'd never come to their country. I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in between.
When all is said and done, if the US kept our nose out of other country's business (unless they ASKED for help) and put more focus on the problems here within our own borders, we MIGHT be a better, safer, and more respected country throughout the world.
One thing is for certain, neither Iran nor N.Korea has made any indications that they have thoughts, ideas, or plans to attack the US. They have both stated their persuit of nuclear weapons is for their own use and protection. Considering Israel's treatment of Palestine, I can understand why any country in the Middle East might feel they need protection from them. As for N.Korea, the US would bode well how they deal with them, least we awaken the large bear that sleeps in their backyard. I do not believe that China will tolerate an attack on N.Korea. Which may well be why Bush & Co. are putting their focus on Iran. Either way, to attempt to deal with either country in the same manner they did Iraq, will be a fatal mistake. A mistake that will cost many many more American lives than the 1400+ that have been lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. A mistake that more than likely will bring our warmongering to our own shores. Even the Patriot Act and Homeland Security will not be able to protect us. You can mark my words on that one.
Posted by: wanda at February 17, 2005 08:29 PM (1ivbm)
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Incidently, Maccabee has long been a reader and poster on my blog. He always leaves his blog address and he knows I know his email address. I am sure he assumed you would make your response in my comments since that is where the conversation started. I would have assumed that much as well.
Posted by: wanda at February 17, 2005 08:33 PM (1ivbm)
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1. check the email that maccabee left here and try to use it, it will come right back to you.
I would have much preferered to send it to him in an e--mail due to the length, and I really didn't want to make it seem I was being catty by posting it.
2. I felt that my response would have taken up too much of your bandwidth, and at the least would have been broken up into at least three parts due to your limit on the space of an individual comment.
Posted by: delftsman3 at February 17, 2005 08:58 PM (h4ZzC)
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"What right has the US to demand that the rest of the world embrace democracy and Christianity?"
Just WHERE did I advocate that Muslims should convert to Christianity? One of the points of my little screed was that Islam doesn't compremise with other religions as Christianity and most other religions do. Christians haven't tried to force adherance to their religion since the last Crusade. Even the so called "moderate forms", in the end, preach non tolerance of other religions.
"Iraq is now a quagmire, and the new #1 training ground for terrorists."
It's such a quagmire that ordinary Iraqi citizens are starting to take action agains't the "insurgents" themselves, without resorting to even their own security forces, much less the US forces.
"Has it ever occurred to you people that MAYBE the people of the Middle East don't WANT democracy?"
Yes all people's will have a different form of democracy than ours,suited to their own culture, but I truly don't believe that any SANE person would wish to live under the yoke of a dictator willingly. The Left is fond of calling conservatives racists, but examine your statement and tell me that it isn't fundementally racist IE, "they just don't know any better and don't want anything better".
"We were attacked by a terrorist organization which had many bases of operations in all the above mentioned countries including Saudia Arabia."
Yes, and any country that knowingly and willingly harbored terrrorists are ipso facto terrorists themselves, and I WOULD include SA in that group. The point is that in taking on Iraq and Afghanistan, we were applying pressure internally to the other nations without HAVING to resort to brute force. And with the first time ever option of independant local officials being allowed to run in SA, the premise seems to be holding true.
"Considering Israel's treatment of Palestine,.."
Yeah Wanda...show me ONE instance where Israel came into the territories to bomb children in their school. Every action taken by Israel has been a response to Palistinian acts of violence, and targeted to the combatants, not civilians. If the Palestinians want a country, let them demonstrate it by stopping their acts of random violence. Israel has offered time and again things that weren't in their best interest of national security, and time after time the Palistinians have responded with suicide bombers targeting civilians. As far as sharing Jeruselem, you might as well ask the Muslims to share Mecca. IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
"As for N.Korea, the US would bode well how they deal with them, least we awaken the large bear that sleeps in their backyard."
It's in China's best interests not to allow NoKo to start something that will pull China into it. I really believe that in this case China and the US have a common goal in maintaining the peace. China will put the brakes on NoKO, not us.
"Which may well be why Bush & Co. are putting their focus on Iran."
The nuclear genie is out of the biottle with NoKO, but it would be better that Iran doesn't join the club. There is a large segment of the Irani populace that yearns to throw over the present regime. We should nurture and aid that feeling. The revolution should come from within, not imposed from without.
The whole point of the exercise is to prevent the need for furthur military actions Wanda, not enlarge them. A dangerous game, it's true, but there were no really viable alternatives.
Posted by: dekftsman3 at February 17, 2005 09:33 PM (h4ZzC)
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I had to put on my tinfoil hat reading your analysis of the world and incessant insults about how we progressives don't live in the real world
then again, it was you people who said 9/11 and iraq were related and it tuirns out that every senior counterterrorsit expert said that was a stretch and it was never fully vetted
you said he had WMDs
not one iota of evidence has ever survived scrutiny beyond your talking points memos and bullshit repeats of Bush administration exagerations
you guys saaid it would cost us $12 to $30 billion at the most and we would be drawing down troops by september 2003
inbstead we are caught in a sandpit that has cost us upwards of $300 billion and the cost of twelve wounded and three dead americans a day
you said the tax cuts would creat jobs
we are STILL minus 500,000 jobs in the hole
our allies have abandoned us,
oil is $45 a barrell
over 3 million more Americans have joined the poverty list since Bush has been in power
The US lasy year ranked 42nd in the world in infant mortality, right behind Cuba
( BTW thanks for telling us the project for New American century plan for attacking everyone who has oil.)
at the end of the day, none of this combat has achieved a godamned thing but kills tens of thousands
my guess is- you have never lived outside the US. You have a high scholl education- you listen to Rush and Faux News
You bet, you're a dummbass
and you're wrong
by the way, the Netherlands has a higher standard of living than the US, higher productivity, longer life spans, less poverty and almost one tenth our crime rate- also, the typical Dutch 7th grader knows more american history than a US Senior.
What else do you want to be wrong about?
Posted by: Maccabee at February 18, 2005 06:36 PM (Pzsbc)
Terri SchiavoRead this and tell me that you don't experience a "RCOB" moment.
Here we have a judge presuming to make a medical determination against the sworn affidavits of qualified medical personnel, not even allowing a brain scan that would prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Terri was "in there". This to provide relief to a sick puss-bag of a husband that took money awarded into his trust for rehabilitative care for his wife, and never provided that care.
In my own humble opinion, he should suffer the fate he would visit upon his wife, he should be strapped down to a bed and allowed to starve/dehydrate to death.
Bloodthirsty? Maybe....I prefer to call it poetic justice.
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I'm not sure what to think of the husband in this case. The way I look at it is if he wants to move on with his life let the court order him divorced or whatever and let the people who love her take care of her. Her husband said that this is only hurting Terri. However, on the other hand he said she was not aware of her surroundings. If that's the case then she realy don't care. She is only assisted with the feeding tube. How do we know when she had this so called disscussion with her husband about what she wanted in the case something like this happened that she was talking about something keeping her heart and lungs going. Not a feeding tube. As I understand her heart and lungs are working on their own.
on 8/12/2003 I had a nephew born with a deadly disorder called trisomy 13. He to had to have a feeding tube. His brain was not fully developed so in a since he was like Mrs. Schiavo. We were told he could live days or years no one could say. No one ever would ever think of taking his feeding tube away. It would have been seen as cruel and inhumain. So I ask who has the say to value one LIFE but not the other. The news, goverment,courts,and people of the world would have judged my family badly but their are so many that seems to think this is ok. It's NOT. She smiles and looks around she is alive. My nephew passed away at the age of 2 months. I can tell you one thing for sure his mother and father took every day they had with him as a blessing as well as the rest of the family. We have memories that we never would have had if we would have let him starve to death.
Thank You.
Posted by: Melissa Giles at February 23, 2005 05:26 AM (6krEN)
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I have read the doctor's reports and am appalled that the courts keep ruling with the husband. His complete disregard for his wife's life, however less than perfect, is an indicator of his culpability. I think that the injuries she sustained that left her in her present state were supposed to have killed her. I think that the husband's repeated efforts to legally kill her are only more evidence that he wants the money and he wants her dead so he doesn't have to share it with her. Otherwise, why didn't he just divorce her years ago and let her be taken care of by her parents?
I have worked with autistic children and patients who had severe brain injuries. Her condition is by no means "vegetative." If she received the rehabilitation that the money was supposed to provide, perhaps she would recover to the point that she could communicate to her caregivers just WHAT happened the day she was found so badly injured.
Perhaps this is precisely why her husband is fighting so much for her to die?
Posted by: Lorraine at February 24, 2005 03:28 AM (5ufV9)
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I think you have hit the nail on the head Lorraine. I was a LEO for almost ten years, and in every investigation, there was a 85% chance that in a situation such as this, a family member was responsible for the injuries done.
That the court has sided with the husband in almost every instance points out one of the flaws in our legal system, ie, that the closest family member is held to have the highest standing in decisions regarding an incapacitated person. It makes some sense, but every individual case should be examined on it's own merits. In this case, I believe it's obvious that Mr. Schiavo has not acted in the best interests of his wife, to the point of being not merely negligent, but criminally culpable.
Posted by: delftsman3 at February 24, 2005 04:04 AM (LmMJW)
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I tend to agree with the postings that I find in this discussion thread. But if Terri Schiavo is to be terminated, it should be done by instantaneous means, since removing a feeding tube is not as easy as switchting off a machine. Starvation is a cruel way to die, bringing forth more of the euthanasia or "assisted suicide" controversy. It might mean killing her as a veterinarian would a terminally ill pet or an overcrowded animal shelter would "put to sleep" its excess clientele, and also the lethal injection used as execution in the case of prisoners held for capital offenses! I can think of other ways for a quick "humane" death but they might sound morbid.
Next-of-kin should be established by "blood" or DNA kinship, which the Schindlers are and Mr. Schiavo is not. Terri's intentions were never established by a Living Will, so the husband's claim is hearsay, inadmissible in a court of law. She is thus more a part of the ones who sincerely love her, and definitely not the man's property.
This case reminds me of the famous "Solomonic" trial in 1 Kings 3:16-28.
Posted by: Juan Rivera at March 24, 2005 06:34 AM (PkOUT)
Life on Mars?
Seems some NASA scientists are convinced that there is a high probablity of microbial life existing on present day Mars.
If confirmed, this will be one of the greatest discoveries ever made.
I just wish they would take civilian volunteers to make the trip there in person to do the research. I don't have any scientific qualifications, but on the other hand, if a "regular joe" can be convinced, maybe he could blog the news to the world in a manner that everyone can understand? And I would gladly do windows to be included in the first group.....
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I don't know. Mar's best day is like Antarctica's worse (minus the oxygen). Even so, I love the idea of heading out for other planets. Save me a spot!
Posted by: karlo at February 18, 2005 07:00 PM (T/9Cl)
I miss the Carson Show and the intro theme
most of all.
Funny and true story
